Keeping Calm amidst Festive Chaos: A Guide to Holiday Resilience for Working Dads

Ho ho ho, brace yourself for the holiday roller-coaster with us, Dustin Hoog and RJ Campbell, your pioneers of the Balanced Business Dads! Ever wondered how to keep your cool amid the holiday chaos? Let's unwrap that together as we share our personal mishaps and triumphs navigating the festive season. From the ups and downs of managing work schedules and high expectations, we've gathered some valuable tips on maintaining patience and focusing on the true essence of the holiday season.

As the year draws to a close, it's time to boundary-up! It's more than just about drawing a line between work and family, it's about effectively communicating expectations and standing your ground without feeling guilty or pressured. Listen closely as we share our experiences and strategies on how to keep stress at bay and set boundaries that prioritize your well-being. Trust us, open communication is the secret sauce for a peaceful and joyous holiday season!

But wait, there's more! We're turning the spotlight on the often neglected yet essential practice of self-care and reflection during the holidays. Hear about our strategies on managing expectations, handling curveballs, and the importance of retrospection for a smoother holiday next time around. Balance isn't just about business; it's about family too! So, let's talk about how to juggle work and family, manage stress, prioritize togetherness, and create unforgettable holiday experiences. Let's "Dad Up" and show love and appreciation to those who truly matter this festive season. Grab your eggnog and let's get the holiday banter rolling!

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Transcript

Voice Over: 0:01

Dads, do you want a thriving business that doesn't control you, a passionate marriage and kids that adore you? Do you want to grow deeper in your faith, be healthier both physically and mentally, build more meaningful relationships with your friends? Welcome to the Balance Business Dad podcast, where, in each episode, we dive into balancing and optimizing the six pillars of life Faith, health, marriage, fatherhood, brotherhood and business. And here are your hosts, pioneers of the Balance Business Dad movement Dustin Hoag and RJ Campbell.

Coach Dustin: 0:36

What is going on, guys? Welcome to another episode of the Balance Business. Dad, I'm your host. Coach Dustin, with me is always the seasoned, the distinguished Mr RJ Campbell. Rj, how are we doing today?

RJ Campbell: 0:48

Every day is a holiday. It is Well hell, it's almost. Every day is a holiday. Because it's that time of the year Every day literally is a holiday and nobody wants to work and it's all loss of production, time and oh the psych.

RJ Campbell: 1:02

What a perfect segue into what we're going to talk about today my wife if she would listen to this podcast but she hears me all day, she doesn't need to dedicate another 25 minutes. She would laugh, because I spent my 35 year career in production of one kind or another related to printing and mailing. Does that get busy around this time? Yes, it does two things, boy. She got tired of hearing this after years of how much I hated the holidays I was the biggest Baham bug person because she would hear me say every year, the holidays are just loss production time because people want off work, companies want to close the week between Christmas and New Year's. We've got printing we need done. We have mailings we need completed. We have clients that need this stuff in the mail.

RJ Campbell: 1:54

Yes, the stress time and the holidays Holidays were just loss production time. So that's why I just made that comment, even though that's not true. But yes, boy, once you started rolling close, you'd, yes, loss production, that's all. It was Nothing to do with Jesus, the birth of our Savior, all those good things no, just loss production time. What horrible mindset. It was a terrible, terrible way to go through a lot of years, yes, and you knew it was coming. Every year. You planned around it as much as you could, but it's loss production time. So we always said I hate that.

Coach Dustin: 2:28

Well, today's topic is a lot about that and it's how does a balanced business dad maintain patience during the holiday? We actually wrote a More monster. There you go. We wrote a blueprint on this that you can actually get at the free Facebook group, which will tell you how to do that towards the end, like we always do, but I think it's so crucial Patience is. Having patience in a circumstance or a situation is vital for so many different reasons for your own health, for the health of your relationships, for just everything. So I figured we would go through these strategies that we have created, that again, you can get the whole blueprint out there. But we're going to go through these strategies and really talk about them, why we believe these are important, and just kind of have a conversation around a few of these tips today. Because, as you said, you didn't like the holidays. I've always been a fan of the holidays always and still am, so I couldn't imagine not looking forward to that.

RJ Campbell: 3:29

And it's so weird because I love Christmas and Thanksgiving both but to have that in the back of your head all the time of lost production time. Why are they shutting down? Why do our people on the production floor expect to be off on Christmas? They need to be there getting printing done. So that's a horrible, horrible thing. It is when you have a date driven like a publishing type job. It's all being driven by. That's horrible, yeah, terrible, way to go through the holidays.

Coach Dustin: 3:57

That's the business stress of it. But even though the holidays are amazing times, I am pretty easy going around it just because I don't care. I'm gonna say it doesn't give a. But I've seen my parents, I've seen my wife, I've seen other people that we go to their houses. It's just so stressful because everything's going to be perfect and like I don't care, I just want to be together and have a good time. Like the meal doesn't make it a good time. The China that you haven't used since last year doesn't make it a good time. The extra vacuuming you did doesn't make it a good time. So, true, right, so it's sometimes you just kind of maintain and chill. I just want to be with the people I love and the people who love me, without stress.

RJ Campbell: 4:42

So true, and you hear and I'm assuming this is true I read in a study on it that this is the most stressful time of the year, or the holidays, and it has to be because of those reasons.

Coach Dustin: 4:53

Well that, and did you do what you wanted to this year, or do you think you should be farther Right? I think a lot of people think on the whole year before, right, I was going to do this, I was going to do this. And now I can't even give the Christmas I want to for my kids. By the way, they're never going to remember what you got them for Christmas.

RJ Campbell: 5:11

Not by February, hell not by the second week of January.

Coach Dustin: 5:14

But they will remember the memories on that. I remember a lot of Christmases. I remember this might make me choke up.

RJ Campbell: 5:20

Oh, here we go.

Coach Dustin: 5:22

So you know my parents were divorced and I remember we lived with my mom and my stepdad. We lived in a single wide trailer, carlin, illinois, small town. I mean we had to have plastic over the windows because of the draft. It was so cold, right, and the tree that we had was a literally a table tree that you set on top of the table.

RJ Campbell: 5:45

Yep.

Coach Dustin: 5:46

And again, we couldn't go out and forward lights, we couldn't afford many ornaments and stuff like that. And my stepdad, out of cardboard and aluminum foil, made a star to put on the table and he's not a Christmas guy by any means, nor an emotion guy. So the fact that you can see Dean doing that yes, I can, and I bet we had that star for 10 years and you loved that star. I loved that star, I love that tree. That's all people need. I have no idea what I got for Christmas.

RJ Campbell: 6:21

Nobody remembers.

Coach Dustin: 6:22

Yeah, they don't, but I remember that.

RJ Campbell: 6:24

Yeah, I mean, my kids are grown. But remembering that and you think, oh, I wish we'd have done better this year, because I want to be able to give them this, this and this. Yeah, well, guess what they don't know. They don't know what you did not get them, so they're not going to miss it, so it's true. They didn't get those three on top of the other three.

Coach Dustin: 6:43

Yeah.

RJ Campbell: 6:43

But we do it. We do it every time. Right now, we host Christmas. This year, we switch it back and forth on my wife's family here from St Louis, so with our sister-in-laws, her two brothers, and so we bounce around houses. So my wife is already, you're working on the menu. What do we have? An appetizer, the meal, the desserts. And you can't not be that way. I mean, you can, she can't. And it's not like it's obsessive and it's freaking out, but like Dustin, I'm like you know what? Pizza, bunch of lasagna. People would be happy if we just said what are we doing? What should I bring? It's like, well, we're going to do burgers and brats on the grill got some beans? Oh cool, I'll bring a side, I'll bring an appetizer.

Coach Dustin: 7:24

Bring a spitzer and I'm fine.

RJ Campbell: 7:25

Yeah, nobody would even care. We won't do that because it's Christmas, but in the end nobody would care how we overstress on this thing so much.

Coach Dustin: 7:33

We do. So let's get into this, all right. So strategy one we talk about and we'll give it not every tip, but a couple of tips. Strategy one talks about planning ahead. So much of our stress and being overwhelmed is lack of planning Right, and when we're stressed is when we really lose the patience. So the big one is just to plan the work right, schedule flexibility, plan the work around key family events, so and we have a lot of different days that starts Christmas and stuff like that through different families. Like Christmas season starts for me on December 22nd Because you're going to multiple houses.

RJ Campbell: 8:13

Lots of family.

Coach Dustin: 8:14

Yeah, different family and different things like that. Yeah, so that's when Christmas starts for us. So guess what? I'm not working after the 22nd for the year, to be honest.

RJ Campbell: 8:27

Yeah, we're done. Well, you know, lost production time yeah.

Coach Dustin: 8:31

But I've planned it Right Now. Guess what? I'm going to work really hard up until then. But if you work right now and plan for everything that's going to happen, all work experience to the time allowed. My time allowed goes till December 22nd. Right, perfect. So let's move on to our next topic of responsibility. Here's the other one. In that one, this one's huge, communicate expectations to your team members, to your clients, to your family members.

RJ Campbell: 8:59

Okay, starting with number one, team members. So at your company, by now when we're recording this, it's December 7th, a day that will live in infamy For you people who remember your history. Employees Should know what days you're closed for the holidays. Absolutely, they should have that on a calendar.

Coach Dustin: 9:21

Yeah.

RJ Campbell: 9:22

Expectations, and probably do. But you'd be surprised how many of us small business owners have not thought that one all the way through yet.

Coach Dustin: 9:29

And have you asked Do you guys need any days, certain days off? We have to make sure we're covered. You need to ask them ahead of time. Hey, is there a certain day that you were needing off that kind of thing? Let me see what I can do right. Be a good leader during this time as well. I think that's a big one too.

RJ Campbell: 9:46

Yeah.

Coach Dustin: 9:47

Second one your clients.

RJ Campbell: 9:49

Yeah, they should know what your hours are on the holidays. We're closed on Christmas and the day after this year Christmas falls on a Monday, Right? So we're closed Monday and Tuesday. Make sure your clients know you're closed Monday and Tuesday, especially if you have a business that's anything close to retail oriented.

Coach Dustin: 10:07

Yeah, or client service basis. I mean, I've been a real estate agent for so long and I remember two years ago, this other oh man, it made me so angry. I've heard this story before. 10 am. 10 am, christmas morning. I get a call from a real estate agent to put an offer on one of my houses and when I didn't answer the first time, he called back three times before I answered. Oh my gosh, I was just baffled by that. That's a whole other thing.

RJ Campbell: 10:38

I believe that falls into their respecting boundaries episode that we've talked about doing. Maybe we're putting that one on for next and talk about that. It's a great one for all of us to remember. You know that's so funny.

Coach Dustin: 10:48

But let's go back to the list Communicate expectations. The third person, or the third group, is your family members. Communicate expectations to them as well. Especially is I remember that a lot and I don't think it happens as much anymore as it used to. But on Christmas day, right, I have to be at this house at this time, this house at this time, this house at this time and this house at this time because I got to make sure all the grandparents get to see the grandkids that I want to have Christmas at my house and stuff like that. Stop Communicate what you're going to do. Don't let anybody shame you into anything. Don't let anybody you know push you down because you're not doing this, you're not doing this. Make sure you're communicating what's going to happen and what you want for your family. I think that's huge, I agree.

RJ Campbell: 11:36

Yeah, absolutely. I loved your point when you said I know, guys you're thinking this is a weird one, but this is the dad part. I think as much as anything else, don't let the other people dictate it. When you said don't let them shame you into it. So I'm different, obviously, the Dustin. I'm mature, more advanced, yeah, older. My kids are grown.

RJ Campbell: 11:57

So our younger son and his wife, they have decided that they're doing it every other year now because they his wife product divorce for great parents. So they're bouncing to both of those houses and trying to hit our house or one of my wife's siblings, whoever's hosting Christmas. Crazy, you don't spend enough time with anybody. So they have now gone to it's an every other year. That's it, guys. Don't ask us anymore. They're going to be with us this Christmas. We have them for the day. They'll do their Christmas in the morning. They'll come over, spend the day with us. Next year we will not see them for Christmas. They'll be with Pages family. That is great. Don't let anybody change that. If you've made that decision, go with it.

Coach Dustin: 12:37

It's a great idea. Yep, it's your decision. Here's the other thing, though we're extended family and things like that. I want to communicate the expectations to but communicate the expectations and ask what your spouse's expectations are. We were talking about this before, where we were kind of doing some show prep. We host Christmas day at our house, right With my wife's family and my family, and actually both sides of my family, so there's a lot of people in my house, there's some people involved, and my wife gets crazy as I think most wives do about people coming over. I need you, honey, I need you to tell me exactly what you want me to do and when you need it done by, and I assure you it will happen. But I'm not going to reach your mind. I have zero clue what else I need to be doing. So you have to give me these expectations and I will move the world to make sure it happens for you. But I got to know.

RJ Campbell: 13:29

A simple thing, as the cooler needs to be packed with a beer, soda and waters and on the back porch or, in your case, on the deck, yeah, wherever it's got to be there by one o'clock, because people are getting here at 1.30. Got it and it will be done. Yeah, I'm gonna work on that. My wife and I just tag team at all, but I I love the set of schedule. What needs to be done by one? How are we going to get everything done by two when people arrive? What do I need to do? What do you need to do?

Coach Dustin: 13:55

Let's work that we are going to plan that better ahead of time this year and did Steven I mean, you don't have to worry about this before us it's, and Get yourself ready and two children ready, right.

RJ Campbell: 14:05

We only have to get each other well ourselves. Getting each other ready would be weird. Yes, yeah, we don't have to get the kids already anymore. Yeah, yeah.

Coach Dustin: 14:13

So that that's a huge one, those expectations, communicating expectations, because then I believe expectations control a lot of our emotions and I believe patience and stress is obviously an emotion. So if the right expectations are there, the less stress and the more patience you have. Yep, so, strategy to Establishing boundaries we just talked about boundaries. Boundaries, right. Where's that coming to play? Well, a couple different things learn to say no, which I think we just covered.

Coach Dustin: 14:38

That I'm not going over to everybody's house Designated workspace. This is kind of you have to work, sometimes during the holidays or around the holidays, do it in a place where it's designated work and only work. This especially goes for a lot of the you know, business dads who run their office out of their house, etc. Or they need to go work because, hey, they have to check on things, even though they're taking an extended time on. Make sure that time and that place is designated. Hey, I do have to go into the office for an hour, but make sure it's.

Coach Dustin: 15:08

Again, it goes back to expectations. I feel like a lot of these boundaries, yeah, but the boundary is don't work after what the expectation was for there. I think, okay, shorted g3 we talked about, and I honestly don't think we talked about this enough, but and maybe we need to get an expert on this, somebody who could really help us business dads with this, because I know I need more of this but that is embracing mindfulness, and and when we mean mindfulness, we mean just take a second. When you're stressed and you're overwhelmed, just take a second. You know it's, it's Practice of breathing exercises. What we put in there engage quick breathing, just take a breath.

RJ Campbell: 15:46

I'm gonna. I'm laughing because when we were going through these in our show prep and Dustin said this is when I would like to be a smoker, I can see why you have that excuse. I'm gonna go outside and have a cigarette. That's exactly what. Just I got it. I got away. I'm out here by myself. Yeah, have a cigarette.

Coach Dustin: 16:04

There's that meme out there, if I can't think of the actor's name, but he's out there smoking a cigarette leaning up against the wall. You know what I'm talking about? Nope, I bet a lot of people will, but he's just like oh, sometimes the best seven minutes of the day, yeah, I think sometimes you need that?

RJ Campbell: 16:19

I'm not, so we're not saying smoke, take up smoking. But you could see it was the perfect analogy. I just got a step away. And it's easier when you can say, hey, I got a step outside, have a cigarette. As opposed, I got a step outside, so I don't you know, kick you in the head right, Because I don't want to yell at you.

Coach Dustin: 16:33

I'm gonna go outside right, but you can do that.

RJ Campbell: 16:35

Yeah, I'll go to the bathroom, just get away. But that's mindfulness. Relax, yeah, slow down. Guess what? No one's gonna remember tomorrow that we're a little late on the green bean casserole, right, or it?

Coach Dustin: 16:48

Didn't even happen, yeah, but what? We've talked about this on Probably 30 other occasions but gratitude journaling, and I think that's something I'm reading the book gap in the game by dr Ben Hardy, but it talks about reflect on things to be grateful for. We know Sciences prove that you're you cannot have two emotions at the same time. So when you're stressed, when you're you're losing your patience and you're stressed you just take a second and think of something you're thankful for. You have to change your state because you're going through a different emotion at that point. So Gratitude is huge.

RJ Campbell: 17:26

So is that true? You can't have two emotions at the same time.

Coach Dustin: 17:29

Correct we can't multitask Interesting, either can a computer. We think computers multitask, but they don't.

RJ Campbell: 17:34

They don't know just more places.

Coach Dustin: 17:35

Yeah, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. It's the same with our brain.

RJ Campbell: 17:39

It's doing one thing or the other. Yeah, so not that it's a competing emotion. Like obviously can't be happy and sad at the same time makes sense, right, can't be tall and short? Well, you can, that's all relative, but anyway, right, huh.

Coach Dustin: 17:51

Prioritized family time. This is strategy, for this is a huge one, guys, is take some time to just be present. Quality over quantity. It doesn't have to be. I'm taking the month of December off to celebrate the holidays with my family? No, but I gotta tell you, you know, we're taking two-day trip Kind of around. It's definitely For Christmas, for the Christmas break, but also my son's birthday is the 26th, so we do that and it's those two days will be so much more impactful If versus if I had three weeks off, in my opinion, because it's quality at time together or we're unplugging things like that. So, prioritizing family time that's strategy for where. Some tips under there.

Coach Dustin: 18:29

We've kind of talked about this. One to strategy five being flexible and Adaptability we talked about this during show prep to planning for the unexpected, especially dads, because I feel like this is where we get angry. I know I do. You admitted it today. Yep, how many times have we been there and everything's coming right? It's 15 minutes before everyone shows up and we need something and there's one store open and it's 20 minutes away.

Coach Dustin: 18:56

And everybody's there and every other dad is there, because they had to go do this too right, and you just have this negative condensation. Well, this is just all. This is just great. Now I have to leave. I had, I did everything. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

RJ Campbell: 19:08

I'm the only one that can do it, it's all me.

Coach Dustin: 19:10

Yeah, get over it and go do it and go help and honestly Appreciate that you could to get out and go do it without smoking a cigarette right. So I think expect the unexpected is a huge one.

RJ Campbell: 19:22

We had one of those years ago. I told Dustin I have it was a long time ago and it was Christmas. We were hosting Christmas and probably making hot crab dip. I remember that. And we go to get the what the hell ever we call those things the burners a column the chafing dish going.

RJ Campbell: 19:38

I grew up a little differently than Dustin. I have bougie, we have silver chafing dishes. Mine was a lighter and the sterno was dried up. Now it's Christmas morning. You're like well, how do I get sterno? Dustin's like what's done? I think it's the lighter, but yeah, you know it's the jelly that lights and burns you put under those. So anyway, yeah, running off to Walgreens because they were open and they carried sterno, but I, that one, I was not bad, but I remember do it's after church at Sunday morning? Kids have opened presents and now running out trying to figure out when the heck do I get sterno, though that one wasn't a bad day, but boy that that could be. You could just be pissed. It's nobody's fault, except you know air because it dried up the sterno. But yeah, so just what?

RJ Campbell: 20:19

did you get that Christmas Hell knows what you got for Christmas.

Coach Dustin: 20:23

Isn't that funny? Yeah, we remember these memories around the holidays. We have no clue what it comes to think. A Corvette? Yeah, I don't think so, because you don't have one. Well, I don't have one now.

RJ Campbell: 20:33

No, I don't know, I have no idea. Yeah, right, see, guys, those are the memories that don't matter exactly what you received, but I do remember going to Walgreens to try to find sterno.

Coach Dustin: 20:45

This is a big one. It kind of goes with expect the unexpected but practice self-compassion, acknowledge that not everything will go as planned. So we're just talking about but even if you go to somebody's house and you expect dinner to be there at 6 o'clock, because I have to be over here at 7.30 and it doesn't get there till 6.45.

RJ Campbell: 21:02

All right, whatever To go box yeah.

Coach Dustin: 21:05

It's okay.

RJ Campbell: 21:07

Well, Christmas dinner never happened. We laugh when people say at 4, you might as well have a snack because it's going to be 5.30. I mean, it never happens on time. So there's an expectation we've already set. We know dinner is not going to be on time.

Coach Dustin: 21:20

Yeah. So what does she say? Self-care? This is important. This is one that I found goes beyond the holidays. Self-care to me is when I wake up early and I go for a walk or I purposely move my body. I am so much more calm and that's not going to be any different during the holidays, especially during the holidays. So I need to go out there so I can be proactive that day, not reactive. We were talking during the show prep and it's with my kids wake me up because I've slept in that day. Being so rattled because it goes into immediately reactive mode. Being woke up, you're reactive, Right?

RJ Campbell: 21:58

Yeah.

Coach Dustin: 22:00

And so to me that self-care is a huge part in there, and of course, the sleep routine, exercise, nutrition, but also just relaxing.

RJ Campbell: 22:08

Yeah, we got to relax, God, we get so freaked out on these holidays.

Coach Dustin: 22:11

How many times have we told our wives, our mothers, our grandmothers hey, just sit down, we got it.

RJ Campbell: 22:18

Right that they don't, they don't yeah.

Coach Dustin: 22:23

To this day. I remember that. Yeah, oh yeah.

RJ Campbell: 22:25

Yeah, they never sit down, never. No, we're 40 minutes. 20 minutes into the meal, a mom is still running around in the kitchen making another batch of gravy, just in case, yes.

Coach Dustin: 22:35

I know, I know. So dads know that we need the relaxation. But also push the relaxation for other people too, and they're not going to listen to you because they don't. So go out of your way and do something, so then they won't have to do it If you live in Missouri, just get them a gummy. There you go.

RJ Campbell: 22:51

I can't do that in every state, but we can at ours now.

Coach Dustin: 22:54

That's funny, sure, as you said. The last one is reflect and learn, right. So I think that's a big one. Review and adjust. Reflect on experiences that you've had before, right, If I'm going to need this sterno thing, maybe have extra laying around, get some sterno, right. If you know, we know dinner is going to be at this time and Aunt Sue is late, that's okay, and Sue's going to be late every time, right.

RJ Campbell: 23:20

So I'm going to eat a plate after everybody starts.

Coach Dustin: 23:22

Yeah, it's funny and so plan this. My dad is so good at this. We have Christmas Eve at my parents' house my dad's house and everybody who's invited gets told a different time.

RJ Campbell: 23:35

Because he knows which ones are late people, which ones are early people.

Coach Dustin: 23:38

And which ones are right on time. None of us are told the exact same time.

RJ Campbell: 23:42

We're not allowed to use names on this, but man, I'm totally blowing people out on this one. Then my wife's family. Again, I'm not from St Louis, I don't have family here. This isn't the case anymore. He's changed.

RJ Campbell: 23:52

Her oldest brother, dave, was notoriously late. Dave is never late anymore. Somewhere in midlife he changed that, but he was always late. My wife would do that. She'd have to tell him yeah, we're having dinner at three or everybody's getting over here at one, when she really meant two. Now again, don't know how. Now Dave doesn't do that anymore and she has a cousin, ron.

RJ Campbell: 24:13

If he listens to this, ron will show up two hours early. That's me, I'm early, people are coming at two. So tell you what, at noon, odds are, someone might not even be dressed Right. I mean, I'm not talking about running around the house naked, but they're. You know, they're don't. Especially the woman might not have her hair done. She'll never make up on it. We're vacuuming, get things ready. The doorbell would ring and there'd be Ron. Ron was just ready for a party, but guess what, he's also the greatest guy in the world. It's like what can I help with? Do you want me to vacuum? Right, but he was always show up early, so she would always joke I'm going to tell Ron it's four because he'll get there two anyway. Love it. So you do. Ron doesn't show up early like he used to, but it was always hilarious.

Coach Dustin: 24:52

The doorbell would ring and like, yeah, ron's here, it's an hour early, this last one, and this goes so much more than just the holidays, but celebrate the success of the whole year or just of that holiday day Of that, hey, we got through it we did it.

Coach Dustin: 25:07

Jenna's best friend and her husband. They well, to me it's like they like to suffer because instead of flying their family to Destin, they would like they would. Oh no, we're going to do the 18 hour road trip and we're not going to give our kids the tablets because they need to look around Like that's horrible. We're going to hitchhike.

Coach Dustin: 25:23

Right, they got to learn to do it the old way. But it's something that they said is such a cool feeling like after they would put their kids to bed in the hotel or overnight during this road trip, or whatever. They might sit there with a beer or a glass of wine together and like cheers oh, we made it, we got to it and I'm like I like that. That part's good, but I can do that after the flight and it takes me an hour and a half to get to Florida versus, you know, the 18 hours but whatever. But I think that's something important to do is actually dads when the kids are in bed after Christmas is done. Sit there with your wives, remember it. Those, to me, is what the memories will come from.

RJ Campbell: 26:03

Rub her shoulders, tell her thank you.

Coach Dustin: 26:05

Yeah, great job. Christmas Eve is my favorite time to do that, you know, because that's when we're putting right now, we're putting out the presents and stuff like that. Santa is. Yeah, that's a pretty amazing time with my wife and I think, if you have that right mindset unless, oh my God, I have so much to do and I want to get to sleep because the kids are going to be waking up early it can be such an amazing time to celebrate those successes, so I would urge that.

RJ Campbell: 26:28

Love it.

Coach Dustin: 26:29

Yeah, Guys, I hope you like this, this blueprint Again. You can find this, plus every other stuff that we have in this, at the free Facebook group. Go check it out. It's dadupgroupcom or you can just search the balance business dad on Facebook. Join the group, download this, because I think this has helped. I know when we put this together it was helping me of different things I wanted to do and I don't know RJ got any last words. Merry Christmas. Well we're going to do a couple more before Christmas.

RJ Campbell: 26:57

It'll be a couple more before Christmas. It's only the December 7th. This will be out probably next week, but not to you guys, because it'll be the time when you're hearing it. It's kind of weird.

Coach Dustin: 27:06

We're living the future, but besides that, guys go ahead and dad up, because the people who love you most deserve it. And besides that, are we done?

RJ Campbell: 27:14

We're done, all right, thank you.