Navigating the Path to Your Future Self: Personal Growth through Futuristic Decision Making

How often do we consider the impact of our decisions on our future selves? What if we started making choices not only for our present selves but also for who we will be two decades down the line? This episode takes you on a journey to discover the profound effects of having a relationship with your future self and how this connection influences the decisions you make today, which in turn, shape your tomorrow.

We kick off by deconstructing the notion of having a 'plan B' and explore why it often serves as a less optimal, easier route. We delve into the idea of the Future Self Framework - a fascinating strategy that encourages us to make decisions with our future selves in mind, inspiring us to live longer and make choices that our future selves would applaud. We also shed light on the significance of teaching our children about the long-term consequences of their decisions, an underappreciated cornerstone of personal growth.

Lastly, we dive into the process of making decisions for our future selves. We reflect on how past experiences and parental influence shape our choices, and how certain steps like accepting a promotion or changing jobs may lead to regrets later on due to increased time and travel. Learn how to balance your current needs with long-term objectives and navigate life choices, ensuring that you're making the best decisions for your future self. Don't miss this enlightening discussion on how connecting with your future self can guide you to a fulfilled life.

R. J. references the book The Comfort Crisis.  He incorrectly noted the author as Mark Easter.  The correct author name is Michael Easter.  He was so close to getting that one correct.

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Transcript

Narrator: 0:01

Dads, do you want a thriving business that doesn't control you, a passionate marriage and kids that adore you? Do you want to grow deeper in your faith, be healthier both physically and mentally, build more meaningful relationships with your friends? Welcome to the Balanced Business Dad podcast, where, in each episode, we dive into balancing and optimizing the six pillars of life Faith, health, marriage, fatherhood, brotherhood and business. And here are your hosts, pioneers of the Balanced Business Dad movement Dustin Hoge and RJ Campbell.

Coach Dustin: 0:37

What is going on, guys? It is the Balanced Business Dad, and welcome to another episode of the Balanced Business Dad podcast. I'm your host, coach Dustin, and with me, as always, the very distinguished, the very seasoned Mr RJ Campbell. Rj, how are we doing today?

RJ Campbell: 0:51

We're doing great. We're getting more seasoned every week you are. I don't know if I'm getting more distinguished. I think that's kind of an either or I'm not sure how much of a range there is undistinguished Seasoned. I'm pretty sure is on a. There's a range, your spectrum, of how your season do are.

Coach Dustin: 1:07

I'm not distinguished yet, so I don't know if I can get. I don't know when that starts, I don't know when it turns on.

RJ Campbell: 1:12

I'm pretty sure if you get a monocle automatically distinguished yeah, don't have that. Yeah, somebody kick your ass when you step outside with one.

Coach Dustin: 1:20

But RJ, what did you learn this past week? Oh, he hits me with that every week this week.

RJ Campbell: 1:25

I thought a little.

Coach Dustin: 1:26

Good, all right I knew it was coming.

RJ Campbell: 1:29

I thought he'd actually just switch it up and say I learned and we'll get into more of this later. I promise you can't have a plan B, Tell me more. If you have a plan B, you'll take it, and plan B is usually something that's easier. So I had a big physical challenge in a good way Not like this was a health problem, because that happens at my age Over the weekend we'll talk about it a little later and I started to develop a plan B and I was coached not to have a plan B. I love it.

Coach Dustin: 2:01

Yeah, because plan B is easier, so don't have one.

RJ Campbell: 2:04

I like that. Yeah, it's a bailout, yeah.

Coach Dustin: 2:07

That's why it starts with a B, plan B. Yeah, love it. Great lesson. Look at you actually learning, look at me being a coach.

RJ Campbell: 2:14

I love it With a little C.

Coach Dustin: 2:16

There you go. So today we're going to talk about something that we've talked about this before. We've obviously had a lot of conversations with it, but it was brought on by another one of the books I'm reading, which this guy might be my new favorite author, but Dr Benjamin Hardy. He was the one that I talked a lot about. Personality isn't permanent that book. But then he also has this other book called Be your Future Self. So, talking about the future self, and in the book, what I think so cool is he talks about yourself 20 years from now, and I'm just going to admit I am super, super blessed with our relationship, our partnership, everything that we have going on together, because you are 20 years in the future to me.

RJ Campbell: 3:04

I am literally 20 years in the future, Exactly almost exactly Almost exactly.

Coach Dustin: 3:09

Yeah, which is so cool, because now it's like seeing how what you've done in life I can learn from that, obviously, but I can be more connected to my future self because there's someone I'm so close to that is truly 20 years ahead of me, so I'm super blessed with that. But I think we're going to talk more into what does that mean when you think about your future self. So what does it mean?

RJ Campbell: 3:31

What do you mean? Being attached to or influenced, or what have that word you use was?

Coach Dustin: 3:35

Yeah, being connected to the future self. I think it's knowing that the decisions today affect that person. In the book he talks about an episode from the Simpsons which we can all learn something from the Simpsons but where Homer was getting drunk and not spending time with the kids or something like that. Obviously it was a Simpsons episode. It's a Tuesday and Marge was yelling at Homer and said in the future you're going to be so upset that you didn't spend time with the kids. And while Homer was pouring his drink he said that's future me's problem, not my problem. So how many things and how many decisions are we making today that is going to be future me's problem or future me's blessing? Either one.

RJ Campbell: 4:33

So the more I thought about this, there's kind of a short term and a long term on where you reference your future self, the future me, even though they're both affecting future me. So Homer's example getting drunk tonight instead of playing with the kids. Coming home from work long day, you're exhausted. Your son meets you outside, or your daughter hey, let's throw a ball, let's play on the trampoline, let's get the scooters out, and you just wanna go inside and sit down and rest. And you do that. Hey, go play for a while, I'm gonna go sit down.

RJ Campbell: 5:09

That's the short term one, in that it affected what I, what would my? If I asked my future self, how should I have answered that question? Your future self would say you should have played with your kid because those days are going to end. Long term, one is the one, so that affects the future that your future self like should I have those donuts this morning or should I have a third Snickers bar? So, future self, that's, you know you're looking at long term on those. So, even though they both affect that future, at least in my head, I see some of these are those immediate questions today. How's that affecting the? Today, did I play with my kids Right? Did I read that extra chapter in you know a book that I'm doing in development? Yeah, versus, maybe health questions, mental health questions, could it be business questions? Maybe those affect more that future Short term gratification, I guess, versus long term. Yeah, it's kind of a weird thing to try to explain, because they're really both affecting future me.

Coach Dustin: 6:07

It's both affecting future me, but I think you can see it more right. So if I'm eating that third Snickers bar, it's pretty easy to see how I will feel. If I feel uncomfortable, overweight, unhealthy, it's not easy to see how you would feel because you didn't take every minute. You had to play with your children, nailed it and that happened. You saw that in. We were at my house, we were doing something. I don't know. You were dropping me off, whatever. Well, I don't know why you were at my house. And so, first of all, I am not perfect at this. I don't think anybody is gonna be perfect at this and yet you said that you saw my kids were running home and they wanted to play outside or whatever. We don't even know what happened was.

Narrator: 6:53

And it's not like you said.

Coach Dustin: 6:54

hey, you're being an LA Mass, but you thought through that, man? How many times did I do that? And now I wish I would have went back and actually went outside and played with the kids.

RJ Campbell: 7:05

And that's how I thought of it and that's what I told Dustin later. It wasn't well, look at him, he won't go play with his kids. And I don't remember what we had been doing all day, that we had at your house at the end of the day dropping you off. We were doing something that was physical and hard and we were tired, but it was just that I internalized and like, wow, how many times did I come home from work and one of my three kids say, hey, dad, let's blank? And I made an excuse not to. And what would I give now to go back, now that my kids are 33, 30 and 27, to play with the kids? So that, yeah, that really hit me on that one, and that's when Dustin mentioned this man, this future self book.

Coach Dustin: 7:44

Yeah, and damn it. I'm going off script here, but this is gonna change my plans for the night, so but I have no idea where this is going.

Coach Dustin: 7:55

This is our journey, right, the journey of a balanced business day. It is Today. My wife is gone, so it's just me and the kids tonight. And there is a PtL, pto, whatever fundraiser at Great Skate, a skating rink from six to eight and just taking my son, not a problem, he's almost seven, there's no problem. But having a three year old daughter there with that, that brings in a lot more stressors and things like that, and I have already said no to that because I didn't want the stress Selfish 100% Sure 20%.

Coach Dustin: 8:30

I'm obviously going to. You're going, aren't you?

RJ Campbell: 8:32

I am, yeah, I really it's really just that, really just popped up off the cuff.

Coach Dustin: 8:36

Yeah, oh yeah, 100%. Just thinking you say that oh yeah, I'm tired. Do it tired, right. Do it happy, do it sad. Do it because you only have one chance to do it. That's being connected to your future self.

RJ Campbell: 8:49

President, self versus your future self. So one of things I'd written down I have some notes on here. You know it's short term benefit First is long-term gain. Yeah, that's what we talked about. We, we are very wired for short term Mm-hmm, and there's a term that's. I had to look it up when I saw this in some research. They call temporal discounting. Basically, the farther away the payoff is, the more it gets discounted to you. So just think about that it's. Is it the Snickers bar today or being in better shape a year from now, when I can do whatever it is that I'm training for?

Coach Dustin: 9:25

so true, and there's a reason why this is in this book goes into it. It's because humans Are designed to do one thing. Our human brain is designed to do one thing Keep us safe and survive. It is not meant for us to plan for the future. It is hard. We have to work against our brain almost to save for retirement in 40 years, to have six months in Financial reserves, have six months foods piled away. Our plan was I have to go eat right now and I have to go find it. I have to kill it. I have to eat it right now.

RJ Campbell: 10:01

That is okay. More show prep. That never happened. I'm reading a book right now that I'm loving. It's called the comfort crisis. I even know the author. His last name is Easter. I believe it's Mark Easter. I'm actually reading this book for the second time in a row.

Narrator: 10:17

With no time in between yeah.

RJ Campbell: 10:19

I read this book as an e-book, loved it. Great book. The comfort crisis Recommended to highly. I went out and bought the book so that I can have the hardback of it and actually be writing in it. And Mark talks about that in this book is that we as humans are wired Basically for that short-term gain. He talks about it in kind of a health section of Our bodies and our mind wants us to be able, if there is food, get that food, take it, eat it. You don't know when it's going to come again. This world we live in now, where there is no discomfort, high calorie, caloric dense food is always available and we just want to eat it. It's not because you're oh, you have no willpower. No, it's. It is what our body is designed for, because there was a time that wasn't always available, correct. So it's really hard to not take a care of those immediate grant and gains, an immediate satisfaction, because it's what we're built for.

Coach Dustin: 11:14

Truly wired for we are wired for it. Yeah, that's what's crazy. Our mind is like the oldest thing out here and what we're wired for doesn't exist anymore right.

RJ Campbell: 11:22

So temporal discounting was Was built into us really, I guess, as a safety measure. No, do it now, don't, don't save that for later, because there may not be any of that later.

Coach Dustin: 11:33

Yeah, I kind of goes into that. You know, talking about the primal. You didn't live. I mean, what was the average age? 40, right, and In the book they were talking about the people who didn't live past that. But the people who did live past that Was always because they had a purpose and a vision of what their life was and what they wanted to do and what they wanted to serve and how they wanted to to give. If you will, I know you talked about, you know the, the guys who wrote the. You know, drawing a blank here, thomas Jefferson, those guys, right, wrote the Constitution that's the one I'm.

RJ Campbell: 12:08

Declaration of independence.

Coach Dustin: 12:09

Yes, when they were doing that, those guys were, you know, 60, 70, 80 years old. They had a purpose to do something in this country. They lived older, they lived later versus the normal age at that point because they had a purpose and a vision. So he's talking about being connected to your future self. Is what is the vision and what is the purpose for that future self?

RJ Campbell: 12:33

Yeah, so you're acting today. Yeah, for that future self's purpose. That's a whole different way of thinking about. What we were this really started was making Decisions today based on how would my future self want me to act today. You know, we all wore those yellow wristbands 10, 15 years ago that were the WW JD. What would Jesus do? What we're calling this is really that same thing, but what would old man me do?

Coach Dustin: 12:58

Yeah, I like that.

RJ Campbell: 13:00

What would you do so? Using that as Framework? Yeah, so this is the future self framework. If you ran so many of your decisions by, what would my 20 year from now future self I have that conversation with that, my 20 mice, myself 20 years from now, yeah. How would they answer? Could be anything business decisions, personal. Would they go to skate night?

Coach Dustin: 13:22

Oh yeah, they would absolutely go to skate night and see. This is why you know, we've heard from a lot of people, but we knew that the balanced business, dad, these shows, the, the community we're delivering is so special out there and so needed because we come to it from two completely different sides. I can ask you literally Well, what would you, what would you have wished you would have done if you were in my decision? Yes, your 40 year old self might not want to go to skate night, but your 60 year old self would say, absolutely, go to skate night.

RJ Campbell: 13:55

Yes, without a doubt, I was having the same conversation. It's kind of funny. We came up with this this weekend when I was out. This group of people when plan B came into effect, by the way was riding a bicycle across the state of Missouri. It's a long state. It's a long state like, like most states are. But some of we started talking about college degrees. Have no idea you're killing. You know eight hours of pedaling a bicycle and I was saying that I wished that I had.

RJ Campbell: 14:23

We spent time in college not trying to get a degree. That's my only reason. I was there for five plus years, probably five years. I Didn't care anything about what I was studying. I was told to get a college degree so that you could get a job. Looking back that my 20 year old self. I wish I would have majored in something where I wanted to study. I never went to a class. Yeah that. I looked at that book and said, man, I can't wait to dig into this and Learn what is in this book. I wanted to learn what was coming up on the next test so I could forget it and move to the next test you know it's funny.

Coach Dustin: 15:03

We've talked about that on this show with dr Nate Sala, if you remember. Hmm, that's right, he's an entrepreneur, but he's huge into academia and he said go to college to get an education, not a degree.

RJ Campbell: 15:16

Had I known that? So that it's kind of funny that when Dustin came up with this Talking to your future self, and I had just had those conversations with somebody on the weekend, that man, I wish I'd have done that. My mother did that until, oh my gosh, into her 60s 70s, always was in a class.

RJ Campbell: 15:33

She was. Yeah, we lived in a college town. It's where I went. We're Southeast Missouri State University is. She would take an accounting class every year, sometimes one every semester. She did taxes as a part-time. She had a math degree anyway and she would just go and be that 60 year old lady sitting there taking, you know, accounting 540 because she had taken them all, but not to become an accountant. No, no, love it. Because she wanted to know more doing taxes every year. She was learning. I went there to get a degree. Yeah, oh, I missed that. I really I wish I'd have done that. So anyway, there's your, there's myself looking backwards but man, this is this.

Coach Dustin: 16:11

This episode is really great, because this conversation is so great, because let's start teaching our kids to think through that thing.

RJ Campbell: 16:17

I do not tell my kid this one I am going to bring up yeah, the kids, you, your decision, your framework for decisions. You should ask your 20 year old self, yeah, how I should be doing this.

Coach Dustin: 16:29

Now, the kids aren't gonna listen to you because you're your dad, but they will listen to me, listen to Dustin, right, and you know it's. It's funny because we do have a challenge of being coached by our parents or coaching our parents. But just thinking about that, through everything you know, I in I probably you can almost use it to your advantage too, and this is where this is almost a slippery slope. So I enjoy us going out. We have a little park it's called Newtown where I live, and there's sandboxes for the kids. We can have pizza, we can have drinks, we can sit outside.

Coach Dustin: 17:01

I really enjoy that, versus eating at home and making the mess blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That all goes into that, and Our kids love it because they can run around, they can be crazy, all sorts of stuff. So I said Monday it's my wife. I was like, hey, let's do that, and she doesn't like it as much because of the spending, the money and stuff. So, boom, well, what would our 20 years, 20 year from now, self-want to do? So we went, but it's also one of those things that you can get to that, well, you do have to be a little responsible because you're 20 year Future self might be like well, where's the money? Right, you know so it's. There is a balance, but you just have to ask yourself those questions, I think.

RJ Campbell: 17:42

So you could go to that and bring a dinner, bring a watch, yeah, I could sandwiches, right.

Coach Dustin: 17:47

Yeah, there's so much, so many other things we could have done right, but yeah, I think it's it's asking ourselves these questions, so that's a lot of the short term.

RJ Campbell: 17:55

Yeah, but what I called the short term, the immediate parenting, especially, what would my 20 from my 20 years from now? We don't know how to hell they even say that I know 20 myself 20 years from now. How would they say to handle that? We're kids 20 year old. See me, when you get into career business, some of the things like that in the pillar that turns into the other side of it. Yeah, that's not an immediate gratification. No, now we're talking much more long term. Yeah, so what would? What would I say 20 years from now about taking that promotion?

RJ Campbell: 18:29

Yeah changing jobs to this one that may require more time, more travel. You know it's becomes a 2020 hindsight, but actually from the real, yeah, future person.

Coach Dustin: 18:40

But when you come to business, you know what would your 20 year in the future yourself say that you did hold those assets versus sell them for that small-term game, right? So I'm in real estate, so of course I look at that. Am I gonna be happier to sell that and make a profit today? I'm gonna be happier for holding that for another 20 years? So this is just a question and the whole part is really no right or wrong answer to this. There isn't. It's just ask yourself these questions and be connected and Know what your future self wants.

RJ Campbell: 19:13

Right. So I am my future self looking backwards now on my career.

Coach Dustin: 19:17

Yeah.

RJ Campbell: 19:18

I had positions where you know, had a lot of people under me or I traveled a lot. Looking back, should I have taken those, some of those positions where I was gone so much? I Would love to know that for my father. My father's been gone now for over 30 years. He died when I was relatively young but he traveled a lot, a lot, a lot more than I did. He lived in South America six months out of the year, six weeks at a time there, six weeks at a time here, and then when he was here, he was always traveling but he seemed happy. We had a great relationships.

RJ Campbell: 19:47

I would love to have asked him would you have done that differently for the amount of time that you were away from your six kids? Never know, but that definitely played into a part of me getting out of the corporate world a couple of years ago. Absolutely, to be traveling less, to be home more. That's a decision. Our daughter is a teacher. She did not start college as a teacher. She wanted to, but she let people talk her into know you should go into the business world, maybe HR, you'll make more money, blah, blah, blah. She made that decision by somewhat looking at it the same way, no work truly would make me happy in the future.

RJ Campbell: 20:27

I didn't know that Love that, yeah, that I can work with little kids and be a teacher, and that's what she is. Yeah, love that yeah, powerful decision making.

Coach Dustin: 20:36

It also makes you more committed to your decisions. Think about that. This is what I want my future self to be Be do have. You've heard me say that on this on the show before. Be do have. Well, I have to be that person. I mean I have to make the decisions that person would make to do what that person's going to do, to have what I want that person to have.

RJ Campbell: 20:57

What would your 20 year future self say when you decided or thought about maybe I'll try to lose weight, get in shape and get in the ring with a professional boxer.

Coach Dustin: 21:11

You know, I think he'd be pretty proud of me.

RJ Campbell: 21:14

Now that's the long term one. Yeah, dramatic change in your life by the yes, I said dramatic oh to my old friend Marty Steering.

Coach Dustin: 21:23

Yeah, yeah, that's the long term. Yeah, it was an absolute. You know that anything that's going to help me live a better future I don't think yourself is going to be pretty unhappy with Now. You know, maybe there's some extreme cases where I want to be an ultra marathon runner and I'm going to do this because I'm going to be healthy, and then I break my leg or I fall off a cliff. All right, that didn't work as planned.

Coach Dustin: 21:47

Yeah, yet I think we know what there is. There's balance in our health, too, and it's to be healthy. Again, it goes back to what do you want your future self to be?

RJ Campbell: 21:58

So that was over three years ago. Will that be three years ago, this fall of the fight?

Coach Dustin: 22:02

Right, remember, 10th will be three years, three years.

RJ Campbell: 22:05

Yeah, and your life has changed because you've kept the weight off, you've lost, you've stayed in better shape, good shape, yeah. So there, boy, there's one where your future self is going to benefit. But also would say hell yeah, do what you have to do, because that is going to change you.

Coach Dustin: 22:19

Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of lessons in there, and one day maybe we'll just talk about that lessons but that was my plan B this weekend, yeah, yeah.

RJ Campbell: 22:28

So I was on a four-day bicycle ride across Missouri with about 20 people riding what we they call the Katie Trail. It's one of the rails to trails, so about 250 miles in four days. Two of the days were very long, almost 80 miles each day, and it was blazing hot this past weekend First, last weekend in September, and we had temperatures near 100. We were cooking. So day three was going to be another 80-mile day.

RJ Campbell: 22:51

The night of the night before I was already dreading day three and I was thinking, hmm, we have two people with us with trucks that can help out. I could jump, I could take the sag, I could ride half of that and nobody would think less of me because it's going to be 96 degrees. He would, dustin would, I would, and I was already. I was thinking of that, I was already thinking of plan B and I'm on the phone with my wife from the hotel where I was staying and she's like, well, you got to do what you have to do and if it's that hot and it's that tough, then yeah, you have that safety outlet. I was talking, dustin Rolls his eyes like not wrong answer.

RJ Campbell: 23:27

I was on the phone with one of my sons and he's the one that said Padre, you can't have a plan B. If you have a plan B, you will take plan B 100%. You can't have that. You can do it. You know you can and you have been planning this. We planned this last February, so seven months this has been in the plans. Now his was at the 20-year-old self, but his point was a week from now. When you look back on this ride, you will be really pissed at yourself that you bailed out for the last 40 miles on one day Didn't actually complete the entire ride.

Coach Dustin: 24:01

Yeah, and you know, the interesting part about that is, he said you know you can do it, you didn't. But I would much rather in that situation be picked up by an ambulance because I'm in a heat stroke than not doing it. Right, then you know okay, I can do it.

RJ Campbell: 24:17

Yeah, right, yeah, you gave it everything, yet you always have more.

Coach Dustin: 24:20

Yeah, if you give up, right, which is really what that is you give it up. You would never know You're wussing out, yeah.

RJ Campbell: 24:26

And it was. I mean, we'd done the first 40 miles. I had 40 to go and by that time I decided no, there's no way Not going to quit. I was talking with one of the other riders and said hey, I have lights on my bike, I could finish it midnight. It doesn't matter, I can walk at times. I will get through these last 40 miles. Yeah, had a nice lunch monster energy drink and we hammered at the last 40 miles and it was great. But I was listening. My son uses the term he was living rent-free in my head saying don't quit, you will regret this. It had nothing to do with this. Until now, looking back on it, it wasn't my 20-year-old self, but he kept saying you will really regret. You're one week from now self. We'll look back and be really mad. You quit.

Coach Dustin: 25:08

Yeah, how much better is that? That a word were those last 40 miles because you didn't quit? Oh, they were so good.

RJ Campbell: 25:15

I felt good, we're riding fast. But yes, and that's what he had said too, he said when you finish, when you go around that last turn, you pull into the parking lot of that hotel, you will be euphoric that you did it, because 250 miles, those 40 miles were the most important they were.

RJ Campbell: 25:31

They were because I had, the night before, decided I really had decided I was putting together the plan B. So that's where I said what did you learn this week? You cannot have a plan B or you will take it. And you hear athletes say that all the time. They're saying when they're on the edge of making it to the NFL or Major League Baseball, and they're like, and family members at the end of college are saying, yeah, what are you going to do if you don't make it in the pros? I don't know. Well, you have to have a plan B. I've heard so many athletes say their parents, you have to have a plan B.

Coach Dustin: 26:01

And like, no, I don't have a plan B, and people will say that about your business too.

RJ Campbell: 26:06

It's right. Yeah, what if this business fails? You need to have a plan B. Yeah, well no, because then you'll plan to fail.

Coach Dustin: 26:12

Yeah, we went all over the place on that one, but that's where the plan B, but it's somewhat the future still is 100% the future self, because you had this goes back to vision, which I teach a couple classes on vision, because vision is so important which know what your future self wants. Your future self, and that's very short term, that's not 20 years, that was a day but your future self wanted to finish that 250 miles, right, yes, and because you knew that now your son had to remind you, but you still knew it. That's why you finished.

RJ Campbell: 26:44

Had to remind me by saying hard men do hard things. So true, better than saying suck it up, buttercup, you got to do the hard shit, got to do it. Hard men do hard things.

Coach Dustin: 26:53

Literally why I did the fight.

RJ Campbell: 26:55

That's right. Hard men do hard things. That fight was hard. By the way, I was with them in somewhat every step of the journey, except for the running, the lifting waste or getting hit by bigger men. All the other parts I was right behind them. That was hard. That was a hard 11 months.

Coach Dustin: 27:09

We might do it, because the last 24 hours before I stepped in the ring we should do an episode on that.

RJ Campbell: 27:14

Oh, all that Hard.

Coach Dustin: 27:15

Yeah, and if there would have been a plan B, yeah.

RJ Campbell: 27:19

Right. So, anyway, that's where plan B came into this. It wasn't my future self of 20 years, but it was my future self of five days, saying don't quit, don't do that. So this is a new frame. We have the data framework. Now we're adding the future self framework. I think, guys, just imagine how many decisions you can make every day by asking literally asking the question what would my future self do in this scenario? What would my future self want me to do in this scenario? What a framework that is.

Coach Dustin: 27:53

Yeah Well, change my plans for tonight.

RJ Campbell: 27:55

Change your plans for tonight. Didn't see that coming, didn't know about that one.

Coach Dustin: 27:59

Love it Because it was not in my head.

RJ Campbell: 28:02

It is now, so there we go.

Coach Dustin: 28:04

So, guys, thank you so much. I hope you guys got a lot out of this and just think about this. Right, be the future self, but these conversations, this is what we are coaching men and dads and husbands to do on the free Facebook group. This is why we want more and more people to do this, because I'm sure you have a story, if you're a lot like us which I believe everybody is that you can share with us. So, guys, join the free Facebook group. At dadupgroupcom, you can click on the link join right there. It also actually goes over the data framework. It's kind of a free video to check that out how to get the framework, that kind of thing. So, dadupgroupcom, we would love for you to join us and just be better, guys, because your future self is counting on. Amen to that. Yeah, all right, guys, we'll see you next week. Thank you so much. See you guys.